How To Get A Facebook Group Shut Down

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I've tried all the stuff I could think of, but Facebook offers very limited tools to report groups that I know for certain are selling and promoting illegal material . I can shut down individual posts thanks to copyright protection, but they'll keep going at it and I can't waste so much time scouting said groups everyday. I just want them nuked from orbit.
Is there a 'secret recipe' of sorts for this? Have you had success in the past shutting down a Facebook group that was bothering you? I'd like to know.

Thanks in advance.

Edit: I must clarify, these are not a Facebook group that offends me or something like that, blocking/silencing them won't do the job. They're groups jeopardizing my income by allowing sales of illegal copies of my products, so I really need these groups to gtfo.

You have to tell us what they're selling first, then you get the "secret recipe"

What are they selling? Drugs?

Now we gotta know what you're selling, OP...

You have to tell us what they're selling first, then you get the "secret recipe"

What are they selling? Drugs?

Don't want to get into too much detail, but I run a store of hand made artisanal products, very limited units each time and quite expensive. There are also bad people creating illegal copies of these products in China and selling them online everywhere for a fraction of the price. And Facebook allows this, which pisses me off.

Oh, they're in China?

Good luck, OP.

Oh, they're in China?
Good luck, OP.

To be fair, I've had success taking down illegal sales one by one in different online stores and even on Facebook as I said, the real problem are these groups with thousands of users all celebrating and sharing their passion for counterfeit goods. I've reported them many times but Facebook doesn't give a shit.

I'm not in the BJD community myself, but I have friends that are, and Facebook ain't helping out the creators there with the recasting problem. I don't think they will take down the communities.

Breaking Bad in the digital age...

Don't want to get into too much detail, but I run a store of hand made artisanal products, very limited units each time and quite expensive. There are also bad people creating illegal copies of these products in China and selling them online everywhere for a fraction of the price. And Facebook allows this, which pisses me off.

Yesh that sucks OP. Hope you are able to get the page down.

What make those copies illegal?

Trademarks? patents?

What make those copies illegal?
Trademarks? patents?

I'm the only one who can produce, distribute and sell them. If you see them being sold anywhere else, they're illegal. Obviously not taking into account second hand sales, that's completely fine.

They're registered works, money has been spent on copyright certificates and all that stuff.

Yep that's what I've been using, but so far I've only been able to take down individual posts.

Now I'm even MORE intrigued on what you're selling. This other post further adds to the mystery:

I'm not in the BJD community myself, but I have friends that are, and Facebook ain't helping out the creators there with the recasting problem. I don't think they will take down the communities.

I google'd "BJD" and I don't know if I want to know if what I saw was right or not....

Also if China is copying your stuff you're pretty much screwed I think.

BJD = ball-jointed doll. Artists custom craft small batches of dolls (or parts, like bodies or face sculpts) and recasters buy one, make a mold, and then make a ton of them that they sell much more cheaply, completely undercutting the original seller and anyone who bought one of the original run as a collector's item.

OP, you will likely need to engage a lawyer for this, and a showing that Facebook is aware of the activity, but there are a few legal theories in which you can get what you want. You'll need to plan to drop some cash though, as Facebook will likely just ignore you. Facebook's legal department is more likely to responds to a cease-and-desist from a lawyer, or a filed suit.

Don't want to get into too much detail, but I run a store of hand made artisanal products, very limited units each time and quite expensive. There are also bad people creating illegal copies of these products in China and selling them online everywhere for a fraction of the price. And Facebook allows this, which pisses me off.

Hire a lawyer.

once had FB group shut down, but we had to threaten Facebook with legal action.

Hire an IP lawyer to do the work for you.

I did this kind of work for clients. The problem is that you can't file a DMCA takedown on stuff that you're not the copyright owner of or their representative. So taking down a whole group based on some of the pages infringing your work may not be possible. FB is protected under the safe harbor, too, so they don't give a shit and will only do what needs to be done.

I did this kind of work for clients. The problem is that you can't file a DMCA takedown on stuff that you're not the copyright owner of or their representative. So taking down a whole group based on some of the pages infringing your work may not be possible. FB is protected under the safe harbor, too, so they don't give a shit and will only do what needs to be done.

This sounds reasonable. Does the OP have a copyright claim? Does he or she hold an exclusive license? If not then yeah there is not much he or she can do.

This sounds reasonable. Does the OP have a copyright claim? Does he or she hold an exclusive license? If not then yeah there is not much he or she can do.

I mean, it makes sense. You don't want everyone out there to be able to claim copyright infringement when they don't know the licensing situation, etc.
But this is a problem on many sites, especially Amazon, where there's tons of counterfeit goods and you have to actively police it. It's just a cost of doing business, unfortunately.

I mean, it makes sense. You don't want everyone out there to be able to claim copyright infringement when they don't know the licensing situation, etc.
But this is a problem on many sites, especially Amazon, where there's tons of counterfeit goods and you have to actively police it. It's just a cost of doing business, unfortunately.

Yep. At least on Amazon there is a feedback system where you can sing the seller for counterfeit products.

Assuming you get it shut down, won't they just start another one?

Honestly for many folks energy might be better spent some how creating a stronger offer as awhole or developing a stronger differentiator that has higher precieved value that wonng be as easily duplicated. If not your basically selling a commodity which means many of the negatives of commoditization are inherit in the business model it self.

BJD = ball-jointed doll. Artists custom craft small batches of dolls (or parts, like bodies or face sculpts) and recasters buy one, make a mold, and then make a ton of them that they sell much more cheaply, completely undercutting the original seller and anyone who bought one of the original run as a collector's item.

Sounds fine to me. They're just molds and not the originals so they're not going to be exact copies. If there's a market for inferior product, that's just business and one would have to adapt.

Sounds fine to me. They're just molds and not the originals so they're not going to be exact copies. If there's a market for inferior product, that's just business and one would have to adapt.

Pretty much this. Particularly so when you have communities clamoring for the inferior product. Hell, there are groups in the Creative category on Twitch with people making viewer money off working on/with lower quality and/or hand-modded products of the same time. At some point the problem becomes bigger than just a simple copyright claim and you're left with an adapt or die situation.

Sounds fine to me. They're just molds and not the originals so they're not going to be exact copies. If there's a market for inferior product, that's just business and one would have to adapt.

original content creators shouldn't have to adapt because people are copying and stealing their shit.

you sound like that dude with the random crappy spanglish in Cyberpunk 2077

i know this doesnt help you in any way

but i thought you should saber

Dingens

Circumventing ban with an alt account

They seem pretty easy to shut down if you're a right-winger and the group is somehow left

original content creators shouldn't have to adapt because people are copying and stealing their shit.

If life were peas and carrots.
You plan for the world you live in, not the one you wish you lived in.

I don't think Facebook gives a shit about anything as long as the money keeps coming in.

If life were peas and carrots.
You plan for the world you live in, not the one you wish you lived in.

Are you a content creator? Why don't you link us some of your work.

Oh, they're in China?
Good luck, OP.

LOL China doesn't use Face book. They can't.

Don't want to get into too much detail, but I run a store of hand made artisanal products, very limited units each time and quite expensive. There are also bad people creating illegal copies of these products in China and selling them online everywhere for a fraction of the price. And Facebook allows this, which pisses me off.

Make a declaration that you and your designs represent pro-Taiwan independence.

Are you a content creator? Why don't you link us some of your work.

Is this...supposed to counter my point?
Cause it doesn't.

If life were peas and carrots.
You plan for the world you live in, not the one you wish you lived in.

yes, obviously. but posts like the one i responded too are useless when OP is asking for help shutting down a business potentially compromising his.
which funnily enough, is planning for the world he lives in..

you sound like that dude with the random crappy spanglish in Cyberpunk 2077
i know this doesnt help you in any way

but i thought you should saber

Yeah that was a typo and I can't find a way to edit the title.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, it's so crazy it should definitely work

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, it's so crazy it should definitely work

Report back after you tried this, will give me a good laugh if it works

I've only once reported a Facebook group and it was removed within 24 hours. Then again, it was a group geared towards people who supported the "purging" of specific races, so I'm not surprised it was so quick.

Don't want to get into too much detail, but I run a store of hand made artisanal products, very limited units each time and quite expensive. There are also bad people creating illegal copies of these products in China and selling them online everywhere for a fraction of the price. And Facebook allows this, which pisses me off.

Welp
Sorry for your loss op

Welp
Sorry for your loss op

It's funny until it happens to you, then you feel completely powerless and sad.

I still don't get how China gets a pass for everything and no one in the rest of the world can call them out on their bullshit. You don't want copyright laws? Fine, but we, the rest of the world respect them, so could you please not copy EVERYTHING that's not yours?

Is the rest of the world so scared of China they won't do anything about i?

Is this...supposed to counter my point?
Cause it doesn't.

It's not supposed to counter your point, no. Just contextualize it.

It's funny until it happens to you, then you feel completely powerless and sad.
I still don't get how China gets a pass for everything and no one in the rest of the world can call them out on their bullshit. You don't want copyright laws? Fine, but we, the rest of the world respect them, so could you please not copy EVERYTHING that's not yours?

Is the rest of the world so scared of China they won't do anything about i?

Actually, there can be done something - but it's not easy, requires massive effort and you most definitely have to be the copyright owner of said counterfeit products.

From everything you said so far this isn't the case though and I'm not sure if you can do everything that's required to prosecute these people.

So no the rest of the world isn't scared of China in this respect they're just being a huge pita, but that's what rules and laws are for, if they sell stuff illegally into the west there can be done something. Keyword illegally.

Actually, there can be done something - but it's not easy, requires massive effort and you most definitely have to be the copyright owner of said counterfeit products.
From everything you said so far this isn't the case though and I'm not sure if you can do everything that's required to prosecute these people.

So no the rest of the world isn't scared of China in this respect they're just being a huge pita, but that's what rules and laws are for, if they sell stuff illegally into the west there can be done something. Keyword illegally.

My wife is the copyright owner of said counterfeit products. Yes, we've spent money on copyright certificates and trademarks, we've also hired a lawyer, which costs a lot of money as well. And those sellers are definitely selling illegal copies of said products into the west, the east and literally every part of the world. It's not like there's much room for interpretation really.

If you, let's say, design a totally cool self published illustration book with your hand made drawings and stories and you EXCLUSIVELY sell it through your online store for 20 bucks a piece, and then, suddenly, you see how your book is being sold for 1.50$ on Aliexpress by a dozen of different random accounts, what would be your take on that?

And now the worst part: it's not 20$ products we're talking about, it's a little bit more than that.

My wife is the copyright owner of said counterfeit products. Yes, we've spent money on copyright certificates and trademarks, we've also hired a lawyer, which costs a lot of money as well. And those sellers are definitely selling illegal copies of said products into the west, the east and literally every part of the world. It's not like there's much room for interpretation really.
If you, let's say, design a totally cool self published illustration book with your hand made drawings and stories and you EXCLUSIVELY sell it through your online store for 20 bucks a piece, and then, suddenly, you see how your book is being sold for 1.50$ on Aliexpress by a dozen of different random accounts, what would be your take on that?

And now the worst part: it's not 20$ products we're talking about, it's a little bit more than that.

Ah, I see ok wow. That sucks and I get it, if there are many people doing this it probably gets really complicated - I just wanted to point out there can be done something - it's good you have a lawyer though, hope you can get anywhere, at least in regards to the biggest offenders hopefully.